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Kenocka
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 Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: Robot Babies |
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Because Zoe mentioned it in the rules I have to make a thread about it.
How do you think baby TFs come into being? Are they built as adults and a child-spark/sparkling is put in there from Vector Sigma or do the parent's spark-sex/spark-touch and produce one when they're ready? Or do they have a period in time that they go into "heat"?
Discuss away!
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Ky
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on which canon you're going with.
For the regular G1 cartoon and comics we've seen all sorts of different ways, from Vector Sigma, to the 'budding' process in which a fully formed Transformer quite literally sprouts off of the body of another TF and goes on its merry way. All the other series? No idea, I don't think it was addressed in those series.
We haven't seen anything with TF:A, and for the '07 Movie-verse, it seems more like that new 'bots come the All Spark and just the All Spark.
My personal belief for the '07-verse is just the All Spark, or, it's the only way they know how to make bebbies. (Though why it never occured to them to do the tango, lol, I can't justify that. Moreover, it could also be that the All Spark is mildly sentient and that after its physical destruction it went '...fuck.' and thought that the only way to keep the race from dying out is by mimicking organic reproduction.)
So, in my mind = All Spark bots tend to be more mature in nature, like, say, teenagers, rather than the completely helpless-it's-practically-a-human-baby Sparkling. (Those never sit well with me.) While Sparklings created from two 'parents' are more like five yr olds- naive, curious, and learning has to be taken slow.
As for adult bodies v. more childlike ones.... I vote for childlike ones, because, think about it, a 30ft tall youngling who's still getting used to its strength and abilities would be very clumsy indeed v. a smaller version of itself.
I'm actually on the fence for this one. I've said it before, I'm not too keen on humanizing the bots too much, because A) they're mechanical in nature, so they're not going to have the same issues we organics do, and B) they're alien. Maybe any Transformer 'born' and raised on Earth will be more humanlike in nature, but the ones that hail from Cybertron are going to be very different.
The going into heat idea... Nah. For what purpose? Why would they need a season to create younglings? Don't quote me on this, but I think one of the main reasons it's not obvious for women when they're 'in heat' is because we've got a stable society and no longer need to advertise it much like other animals need to.
Google is needed.
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Kenocka
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | As for adult bodies v. more childlike ones.... I vote for childlike ones, because, think about it, a 30ft tall youngling who's still getting used to its strength and abilities would be very clumsy indeed v. a smaller version of itself. |
I said the same thing on the old board and it got shot down.  Speaking of which, will all the old discussion topics be moved here?
I like the growing thing. Someone mentioned something like a snake shedding its skin but backwards.[/quote]
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Bekka
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I said the same thing on the old board and it got shot down. Speaking of which, will all the old discussion topics be moved here? |
I'll get to it c: (TOLD YOU WE SHOULD'VE MOVED THEM ZOE >8|) |
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Zoe
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I DIDN'T SAY WE SHOULDN'T.
I just didn't want to do it. xD |
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Ky
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: |
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I said the same thing on the old board and it got shot down. : ) Speaking of which, will all the old discussion topics be moved here?
I like the growing thing. Someone mentioned something like a snake shedding its skin but backwards. |
Really, for me, it all depends on what universe you're basing it in. The G1 bots were very human like- but, I could also see them being sparked in their adult bodies as well as some progressing much like a young child. You just gotta sell it right.
It probably depends on the creator and what they're willing to deal with- like, the processor in a new sparkling will not have as many set paths (similar to muscle memory) compared to an older one. So it's much easier for an older, used CPU (and spark, unless there's some sort of salvaging going on and it's just the CPU- oooh, what a fantastic idea) to acclimate to a body than to a new, untested one that hasn't had all the bugs and kinks worked out. In my mind, most creators would prefer to start out with a smaller sparkling than one in their adult body and just switch them out or do the 'snake-skin-thing-but-backwards'.
The best thing about the TFs is that you can go about things in so many different ways.
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I could repost my entire ramble from the other post if that would be awesome. Or you could just go over to the other thread and look so I don't have to do any work. :B
G1 I think is the only canon that really gave us any sort of idea on how Transformers reproduce, and even then there's got to be about five or six ways between the cartoon and the comics. They can be built from scratch (Dinobots), built + Vector Sigma (Aerialbots), budded asexually (comics), or have parents (Wheelie is said to have had parents in some episodes/comics/whatever). They're also shown to have some sort of genetic code in the (UK?) comics, which, given the complexity of a Transformer's body, could indicate that there's some form of 'sexual' reproduction in which their genes/programming is exchanged to create a new Transformer. Or maybe they're like whiptail lizards and just clone themselves.
This, like every other aspect of Transformers canon, basically leaves things wide open for fans to create their own ideas with. I think the creators of the franchise do this on purpose, I really do.
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Ky
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| Quote: | I could repost my entire ramble from the other post if that would be awesome. Or you could just go over to the other thread and look so I don't have to do any work. :B
G1 I think is the only canon that really gave us any sort of idea on how Transformers reproduce, and even then there's got to be about five or six ways between the cartoon and the comics. They can be built from scratch (Dinobots), built + Vector Sigma (Aerialbots), budded asexually (comics), or have parents (Wheelie is said to have had parents in some episodes/comics/whatever). They're also shown to have some sort of genetic code in the (UK?) comics, which, given the complexity of a Transformer's body, could indicate that there's some form of 'sexual' reproduction in which their genes/programming is exchanged to create a new Transformer. Or maybe they're like whiptail lizards and just clone themselves.
This, like every other aspect of Transformers canon, basically leaves things wide open for fans to create their own ideas with. I think the creators of the franchise do this on purpose, I really do. |
Tch. Lazy Dino. *has no room to speak*
I have to agree- one of the smartest things the creator of a series can do is give their fans plenty of playing room. (SaGa Frontier, anyone? Anyone? Please tell me I'm not the only one who loves this game.)
Speaking of the 'DNA' thing, in the most recent IDW comic, Arcee's Spotlight, she talks about CNA. I won't go into it as it's slightly spoilery, but CNA is 'bot equivalent to DNA... though what it stands for I have no idea.
And sexual dimorphism is/not canon for the IDW-verse. :`D GO BUY THE SPOTLIGHT, YOU'LL SEE WHAT I MEAN.
(Useless fact: I have such a woman-boner for IDW Arcee, omg.)
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